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		<title>By: mtlmnr49</title>
		<link>http://www.aubenades.org/narcotics-alcoholics-anonymous/which-is-a-better-way-to-help-the-poor/#comment-4486</link>
		<dc:creator>mtlmnr49</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 20:59:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who cares what is more compassionate?  What works?  The more locally charity is administered, the more effective it is.

When the US was still considered a collection of neighborhoods, cities, and states (rather than one federally controlled mass), private charities and churches were the primary providers of welfare. When your next door neighbor, pastor, and relatives were the ones donating clothes, food, or shelter to you; your incentive was to show your appreciation for their help by eliminating the need for it.  This still works when tried today.

The locus of responsibility was close to the recipient of the aid. The recipient saw the faces of the people who were helping them every day. People felt ashamed if they were not doing everything they could to improve their situation and the donors would follow up when they thought people were not doing their part. Those with the means to help felt a personal obligation to help.

The Progressive movement changed all of that.

As populists campaigned for government paid benefits, the roles of private charities and churches was reduced. When Progressives got elected, their tax increases reduced the money available to donate and increased the demand for government assistance. Government bureaucrats have neither the time nor incentive to effectively hold recipients of aid responsible for improving their condition. In fact, the politicians have an incentive to increase the number of people who see themselves as reliant on them for their basic needs. Over the years, politicians have used these people to solidify their voting blocks and drive wedges between the voters.

What was once seen as a personal problem has become distant and less human. Tax payers resent all who receive aid because some flaunt their ability to game the system. The &quot;welfare queen&quot; reputation prevails. At the same time, recipients do not respect the individual tax payer&#039;s right to what they earn. The &quot;greedy capitalist&quot; reputation prevails. Politicians benefit as the people spend so much time fighting each other that they fail to place blame where it belongs - with the Politicians.

Effective welfare is funded by private citizens freely giving their own money to the charities of their choice. Effective welfare does not threaten the benefactor with prison time if they choose not to contribute money to the beneficiary. Effective welfare holds the recipients accountable for getting themselves up on their feet. The goal of effective welfare is eliminating the need for its own existence, not creating and fostering intergenerational dependency for political gain.&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who cares what is more compassionate?  What works?  The more locally charity is administered, the more effective it is.</p>
<p>When the US was still considered a collection of neighborhoods, cities, and states (rather than one federally controlled mass), private charities and churches were the primary providers of welfare. When your next door neighbor, pastor, and relatives were the ones donating clothes, food, or shelter to you; your incentive was to show your appreciation for their help by eliminating the need for it.  This still works when tried today.</p>
<p>The locus of responsibility was close to the recipient of the aid. The recipient saw the faces of the people who were helping them every day. People felt ashamed if they were not doing everything they could to improve their situation and the donors would follow up when they thought people were not doing their part. Those with the means to help felt a personal obligation to help.</p>
<p>The Progressive movement changed all of that.</p>
<p>As populists campaigned for government paid benefits, the roles of private charities and churches was reduced. When Progressives got elected, their tax increases reduced the money available to donate and increased the demand for government assistance. Government bureaucrats have neither the time nor incentive to effectively hold recipients of aid responsible for improving their condition. In fact, the politicians have an incentive to increase the number of people who see themselves as reliant on them for their basic needs. Over the years, politicians have used these people to solidify their voting blocks and drive wedges between the voters.</p>
<p>What was once seen as a personal problem has become distant and less human. Tax payers resent all who receive aid because some flaunt their ability to game the system. The &quot;welfare queen&quot; reputation prevails. At the same time, recipients do not respect the individual tax payer&#8217;s right to what they earn. The &quot;greedy capitalist&quot; reputation prevails. Politicians benefit as the people spend so much time fighting each other that they fail to place blame where it belongs &#8211; with the Politicians.</p>
<p>Effective welfare is funded by private citizens freely giving their own money to the charities of their choice. Effective welfare does not threaten the benefactor with prison time if they choose not to contribute money to the beneficiary. Effective welfare holds the recipients accountable for getting themselves up on their feet. The goal of effective welfare is eliminating the need for its own existence, not creating and fostering intergenerational dependency for political gain.<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>By: Mr Pink</title>
		<link>http://www.aubenades.org/narcotics-alcoholics-anonymous/which-is-a-better-way-to-help-the-poor/#comment-4485</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr Pink</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 20:26:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Neither. Good natured people like youreself should house and feed them, since it&#039;s the good christian thing to do.  Then the rest of us could stop hearing about it.&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neither. Good natured people like youreself should house and feed them, since it&#8217;s the good christian thing to do.  Then the rest of us could stop hearing about it.<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>By: g</title>
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		<dc:creator>g</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 20:08:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and how many of these organizations are there and how many does it serve relative to the need?

how many sister Driscolls are there?

and perhaps the most important... what about the children of the people that don&#039;t want to be a part of a program like that?

it&#039;s a great idea... now let&#039;s do it on a grand scale... instead of peacemealing it together randomly at the whim of this church or that...

how about making a real difference instead of one nice story?

that&#039;s the problem with conservative ideas... they take a lot of time, a lot of money and a lot of patience... yet there seems to be a lack of all of those things coming from conservative party members... sure there is this one or that one that does it... but relative to the need, it&#039;s grains of sand on the beach...&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and how many of these organizations are there and how many does it serve relative to the need?</p>
<p>how many sister Driscolls are there?</p>
<p>and perhaps the most important&#8230; what about the children of the people that don&#8217;t want to be a part of a program like that?</p>
<p>it&#8217;s a great idea&#8230; now let&#8217;s do it on a grand scale&#8230; instead of peacemealing it together randomly at the whim of this church or that&#8230;</p>
<p>how about making a real difference instead of one nice story?</p>
<p>that&#8217;s the problem with conservative ideas&#8230; they take a lot of time, a lot of money and a lot of patience&#8230; yet there seems to be a lack of all of those things coming from conservative party members&#8230; sure there is this one or that one that does it&#8230; but relative to the need, it&#8217;s grains of sand on the beach&#8230;<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>By: Gabriel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gabriel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 19:37:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, no compassion until someone is literally living on the streets?  I think I&#039;ll stick with the democrats for now.&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, no compassion until someone is literally living on the streets?  I think I&#8217;ll stick with the democrats for now.<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>By: good guy</title>
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		<dc:creator>good guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 18:52:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>your source is a ten year old article. Ten years ago, there was less acrimony than there is today. In the last ten years the gop has moved farther to the right, and now is a party of extremists, and my evidence is the current NY 23rd congressional race. Today, there is virtually zero effort by the right to help anyone but themselves, and this means no help for the poor, but also no help for women, children, latinos, blacks and the unemployed.&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>your source is a ten year old article. Ten years ago, there was less acrimony than there is today. In the last ten years the gop has moved farther to the right, and now is a party of extremists, and my evidence is the current NY 23rd congressional race. Today, there is virtually zero effort by the right to help anyone but themselves, and this means no help for the poor, but also no help for women, children, latinos, blacks and the unemployed.<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>By: sickblade</title>
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		<dc:creator>sickblade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 18:36:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Welfare is a complete failure.&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Welfare is a complete failure.<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>By: Zap</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 17:52:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That &quot;teach a man to fish&quot; Conservative line is such BS...especially when they&#039;re destroying ALL the fish with their industrial pollutants.  

That phrase, &quot;teach a man to sell fish for an inflated price while other peons do the fishing for him at a slave labor rate so he can sit around and complain about being taxed for ever&quot; is more akin to the &quot;Conservative way&quot;.

(No, the best way to help the poor is by educating them.)&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That &quot;teach a man to fish&quot; Conservative line is such BS&#8230;especially when they&#8217;re destroying ALL the fish with their industrial pollutants.  </p>
<p>That phrase, &quot;teach a man to sell fish for an inflated price while other peons do the fishing for him at a slave labor rate so he can sit around and complain about being taxed for ever&quot; is more akin to the &quot;Conservative way&quot;.</p>
<p>(No, the best way to help the poor is by educating them.)<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>By: Ryde-On</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryde-On</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 17:04:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Give them just enough to kill their motivation.&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Give them just enough to kill their motivation.<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>By: Jochan A Forest</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jochan A Forest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:15:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Getting rid of dumb taxes we have had for decades could be a start,this would help the middle class too.Also get work forces and the like out of government control.&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;Independent American</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Getting rid of dumb taxes we have had for decades could be a start,this would help the middle class too.Also get work forces and the like out of government control.<br /><b>References : </b><br />Independent American</p>
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		<title>By: ScaredOfGeraldo</title>
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		<dc:creator>ScaredOfGeraldo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 15:26:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lovely Lady, but I wonder if any of her particular brand of help requires an indoctrination into her religious beliefs?&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lovely Lady, but I wonder if any of her particular brand of help requires an indoctrination into her religious beliefs?<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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